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  1. #1
    DISTEFANO,ANTHONY SALVATORE, III
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    Japanese PDs



    I'm having difficulty uploading primary documents in Japanese from MS Word
    docs into Version 5.

    The issue is that kanji (characters) that have furigana on top (the
    kanji's reading in syllabary script) are deleted in the uploading process
    and do not appear in ATLAS. This makes major sections of the text
    unreadable. For some reason, ATLAS doesn't regognize these kanji/script
    combinations.

    Anyone that has experience with Japanese, or foreign scripts, I'd
    appreciate any advice.

    Thanks,
    Tony



  2. #2
    Darren McDonald
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    Japanese PDs



    Hello Tony

    Wow! It is wonderful just to know that there are others also using ATLAS
    for research in Japanese! :)

    I am only new to ATLAS, I am trying to teach myself how to use it ... as
    well as qualitative research methods in general. (The world of
    management studies here in Japan is so influenced by quantitative
    methods that I know of no other Japanese researcher in management
    studies using ATLAS.)

    To your query, I have the same problem with furigana disappearing, not
    only in ALTLAS, but in other non-Word applications as well. It may be a
    feature that is only available in Japanese wordprocesses- the rubi
    function. Is there a special reason for having to have the furigana? If
    so, then I have made it a practice to include the furigana in brackets
    after the Kanji combination, especially for people's names and the less
    common Kanji usage. This would mean, however, retyping all the furigana
    next to the Kanji, which I am sure you want to avoid.

    ...

    I just played around with the Japanese version of Word 2000 and the best
    solution I could come up with is:

    In Word do another save using "Namae wo Tsukete Hozon" ("Save As ...")
    and put the name you want to save the document. Then, and this is the
    important step, save the document as a "tekisuto + kaigyo". Now open the
    text file you just saved and you should see the rubi transformed to
    hiragana before each combination of the kanji you used rubi with.

    Make sure you DO NOT save the text as "tekisuto nomi" as this will
    result in both the Kanji and the furigana disappearing altogether.

    Although the above solution means that you will not be able to have the
    furigana above the Kanji, at least the furigana will be there and it
    saves you from retyping.

    Of course the best solution would be to not have to do all this and
    simply upload the primary document to ATLAS and have the ruby there. But,
    I am not computer savvy enough to even understand the mechanism that
    makes rubi possible in Word.

    I hope I was of some help though ... :)

    Kampai! :)

    Darren McDonald
    Associate Professor
    Department of Business Studies & Informatics
    Faculty of Business Administration
    Daito Bunka University.
    TOKYO
    E-mail: darren@ic.daito.ac.jp or darren@ja3.so-net.ne.jp



  3. #3
    DISTEFANO,ANTHONY SALVATORE, III
    Guest

    Japanese PDs



    Dear Prof. McDonald,

    Thank you very much for your advice on the RUBY issue. Unfortunately, I
    don't have the Japanese version of MS Word. Although I took the same
    steps that you recommended in my English version, it didn't seem to help.
    What I did, instead, was the following, which I found somewhere on the
    Microsoft website:

    Enabling the Phonetic Guide If an Asian language Is Not Enabled

    NOTE: The phonetic guide is installed with the Microsoft Office 2000
    Language Pack, so you must install the program before you can use it.

    To enable the phonetic guide if you haven't enabled an Asian language,
    follow these steps:
    1. On the Tools menu, click Customize.
    2. Click the Commands tab.
    3. In the Categories list, click Format. In the Commands list, click
    Phonetic Guide.
    4. Drag the command to a menu. When you see a black bar indicating the
    location for the command, release the mouse button.

    Using this method, I can now select a small amount of text at a time (no
    more than 2 lines or so for some reason) and take away the RUBY/furigana.
    Unfortunately, no remnant is left of the furigana before or after the
    Kanji. It's an imperfect method, but is much faster that what I was doing
    before, which was to manually delete and then rewrite each kanji and its
    furigana in parantheses afterwards.

    Incidentally, the reason I did the furigana was to make my analyses of the
    text faster and easier. I just didn't want to have to take time to stop
    and look up kanji in a dictionary if I didn't have to.

    Again, thanks for your help and feel free to stay in touch with other
    issues, as I believe you're right that there are few of us using ATLAS in
    Japanese.

    Regards,

    Tony DiStefano



    Quoting Darren McDonald <darren@JA3.SO-NET.NE.JP>:

    > Hello Tony
    >
    > Wow! It is wonderful just to know that there are others also using
    > ATLAS
    > for research in Japanese! :)
    >
    > I am only new to ATLAS, I am trying to teach myself how to use it ...
    > as
    > well as qualitative research methods in general. (The world of
    > management studies here in Japan is so influenced by quantitative
    > methods that I know of no other Japanese researcher in management
    > studies using ATLAS.)
    >
    > To your query, I have the same problem with furigana disappearing, not
    > only in ALTLAS, but in other non-Word applications as well. It may be a
    > feature that is only available in Japanese wordprocesses- the rubi
    > function. Is there a special reason for having to have the furigana? If
    > so, then I have made it a practice to include the furigana in brackets
    > after the Kanji combination, especially for people's names and the less
    > common Kanji usage. This would mean, however, retyping all the furigana
    > next to the Kanji, which I am sure you want to avoid.
    >
    > ...
    >
    > I just played around with the Japanese version of Word 2000 and the
    > best
    > solution I could come up with is:
    >
    > In Word do another save using "Namae wo Tsukete Hozon" ("Save As ...")
    > and put the name you want to save the document. Then, and this is the
    > important step, save the document as a "tekisuto + kaigyo". Now open
    > the
    > text file you just saved and you should see the rubi transformed to
    > hiragana before each combination of the kanji you used rubi with.
    >
    > Make sure you DO NOT save the text as "tekisuto nomi" as this will
    > result in both the Kanji and the furigana disappearing altogether.
    >
    > Although the above solution means that you will not be able to have the
    > furigana above the Kanji, at least the furigana will be there and it
    > saves you from retyping.
    >
    > Of course the best solution would be to not have to do all this and
    > simply upload the primary document to ATLAS and have the ruby there.
    > But,
    > I am not computer savvy enough to even understand the mechanism that
    > makes rubi possible in Word.
    >
    > I hope I was of some help though ... :)
    >
    > Kampai! :)
    >
    > Darren McDonald
    > Associate Professor
    > Department of Business Studies & Informatics
    > Faculty of Business Administration
    > Daito Bunka University.
    > TOKYO
    > E-mail: darren@ic.daito.ac.jp or darren@ja3.so-net.ne.jp
    >



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